Utah/Indiana Online Sales Bans


To our valued Utah and Indiana customers,

Recently, in Utah your state legislators passed HB 415, and in Indiana HB1432. laws prohibiting online sales of e-liquid and vaping products to residents of your respective states, effective July 1, 2016. Citizens of Utah are prohibited from buying any vaping-related products, including e-liquid, from any business except in a face-to-face transaction. Manufacturers who haven’t met a restrictive list of qualifications are prohibited from shipping into the state of Indiana. While we deeply regret the impacts that legislation such as this has on our valued customers, we have no choice but to comply with the laws of your states, and prohibit our e-commerce website from completing transactions shipping to the states of Utah and Indiana.

We would like to assure you that we are working diligently for an alternative so that we can continue to provide you with the fantastic, clean, and affordable e-liquid you have grown to love.

If you are personally affected by this legislation, we encourage you to contact your local representative and let him/her know that your right to vape matters. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us at: customerservice@mister-e-liquid.com

Mister-E-Liquid Celebrates the 4th of July!

4th of July Sale 2016

We know that we have customers all over the world. We love you all! That said, home base for Mister-E-Liquid is right here in Grand Rapids, Michigan in the good ol’ U.S. of A! When our country has a birthday we want to celebrate it with all of our customers!

So, on July 4th, from the hours of 12:00AM to 11:59PM EDT we are offering 25%, 50%, even nearly 80% discounts on some of our most popular stuff! How cool is that? So, scour our clearance section for some great value, not to mention the 20% discount on all Mister-E-Liquid branded flavors! Come for the great sale! Stay for the great flavors and get a free sample of Red, White and Boom

Because… ‘Murica!


The Griffin 25 Review

After living with this tank for well over a month, we are ready to tell you what we think. (Spoiler alert: we think it’s pretty excellent.)

Packaged in a nice plastic clamshell box, the Griffin 25 comes with a complete spares kit, including a well-designed T-handle hex/Phillips wrench and a spare frosted-glass tank. From the top down, there is a comfortable wide-bore, dual-o-ring delrin drip tip included, along with an adapter for your favorite 510 drip tips. The top-fill cap is easily removed, revealing two large kidney-shaped fill holes. You can literally pour the e-liquid into this thing. One of the advantages  the 25mm size is that it holds 6.2ml of e-liquid. Another advantage of the 25mm size is the large two-post “Velocity-style” deck, allowing plenty of room, and 2mm post holes for exotic builds like some of our favorites from Ninja Wire. The hardened grub screws promise to last a good long time, but not to worry, there are spares in the kit. The liquid flow control is easily visible through the glass, and easily adjustable with a simple twist of the tank. The unique wick control ring makes wicking this tank very simple and forgiving. Indexed airflow control gives you a positive tactile feel as to where the airflow is set. This tank is for the people who like lots of air. The single coil adapter is a nice touch allowing for the possibility of a mouth-to-lung build, but, frankly, this tank was designed the the direct-lung-inhale vaper in mind.

Our initial build was a dual-coil with 24ga round Kanthal. It ended up at 0.4 ohms. We just filled the coils with Ninja Wick, cut it to fit down in the liquid channels and tucked it in. We primed the  wicks, installed the tank and filled the tank with Dubtronica. We adjusted the airflow to “wide open” and, on this build, we adjusted our mod to 56 watts and enjoyed a nice, thick vapor, both flavorful and plentiful.

Packaged well, with great machining, we think those of you who enjoy an RDA-style vape in a tank will find the Griffin 25 very much to your liking. On a scale of one to five Clouds, we give the Griffin 25:

5 Clouds

The FDA Deeming Regulations and Mister E Liquid

As most of you know, the FDA released its deeming regulations for tobacco products on May 5, 2016, with an effective date of May 10, 2016. There was much in the way of common sense regulation in the 499 page document. We support a ban on sales to minors. We support truth in labeling. We support clean manufacturing conditions and good manufacturing practices. In fact, Mister E Liquid is already in compliance with most of these regulations and has been for some time.

We oppose the predicate date of February 15, 2007. All products brought to market since that date will need to go through an extremely costly Pre-Market Tobacco Product Application (PMTA) process. Cost estimates for this process range from one to three million dollars PER SKU!

Let’s assume a company produces 50 flavors in three different bottle sizes and six nicotine strengths. That’s 900 SKU’s. The cost estimate for said company to complete the PMTA on all of those products ranges from $900 million to $2.7 billion. Given that most companies in this industry are small businesses that were founded since 2007, it’s not likely that any of them will be able to complete the PMTA on all of their products, and most won’t be able to complete it on any products. If the predicate date stands, the death knell will chime for this industry.

What is this industry? For the most part, it consists of small businesses managed and run by passionate people who deeply believe they are helping people. An estimated 17,000 (or more) vaping related companies contribute to our economy. They contribute in excess of 100,000 jobs. They contribute income to 100,000 families to buy homes, pay rent, buy cars, buy food, pay utilities and contribute to our great society in so many other ways.

But, all is not lost. There is a chance to change the predicate date, and if the predicate date is changed, the industry can survive. It will never be the same, but it can survive. There are two pieces of legislation in congress that would change the predicate date. Rep Tom Cole’s bill, HR2058, was introduced April 28, 2015 and is currently referred to the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. This bill will permanently change the predicate date to August 8, 2016. The other is the Cole-Bishop Amendment to the 2017 Agriculture and Rural Development Appropriations Bill. This would also change the predicate date, and while it is not the permanent solution that HR2058 is, it is a bi-partisan effort that has moved through committee.

What are we doing? As members of AEMSA, SFATA, and CASAA, we are participating in litigation that we hope will help. We are also working with our employees to craft individual letters to their members of Congress. Mister E Liquid supports CASAA and all that it does, and they make it easy to send a “form email” to each member expressing your support for HR2058 and the Cole-Bishop Amendment. We believe that the impact of an individually crafted letter on paper is much higher than a form email, and each employee has committed to sending letters.

What can you do? You can send a letter too! Our congressional representatives work for US, their constituents. Their mandate is to listen to us. If you have found your way to this blog, you are most likely a vaper, or you at least know and love a vaper. Maybe you even work in the industry or know and love someone who does. Make your voice heard. You can help make a difference. Here is a link to a template for your letter. We encourage you to “make it your own”. It’s a guide with some facts and talking points. If you need any help crafting a letter, contact us! We’re easy to find via Facebook, our Contact Us page, or by phone at 855-MISTERE (855-647-8373). Let’s do this!

FDA Snubs Senate Inquiry as Expected, Committee Will Pursue

Credit: Steve Jackson of Smoky Mountain Vapes with this post. Thanks, Steve, on behalf of the entire community for contacting Sen Johnson’s office!
The deadline for the Food and Drug Administration’s response to an inquiry from the U.S. Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs requesting justification for a defacto ban on vapor products that would end an industry of an estimated 30,000 small businesses, came and went yesterday at 5pm eastern time with nothing reported by the Committee on their website or by the news media. I made a phone call to their headquarters this morning and was sent to a voicemail box which I feared would be the end of my search for information. My fears were completely unfounded. About an hour after my message, I received a phone call from Mr. Scott Witmann, a staffer who works closely with Sen. Johnson.

Words can not express how impressive Mr. Witmann’s knowledge of the dynamics of the FDA Final Ruling Deeming Vapor Products as Tobacco is. He reports he is neither a vapor nor has ever been a smoker, but there was no difference in his level of awareness of this situation than that of any of the very well informed advocacy figures with whom I’ve had the pleasure of speaking. I wanted to write notes on the conversation while it was still fresh in my mind.

Mr. Wittmann reports the FDA did not respond. They did not indicate a need for more time to respond or attempt to schedule an appointment. He was completely professional in our entire conversation, but my interpretation is the FDA simply snubbed the Committee. I don’t find this surprising considering the dead-to-rights violations of federal laws protecting small businesses in the FDA’s own writing on the matter.

Mr. Wittmann was intensely interested in my experience as a former smoker who now exclusively vapes and also my experience as the owner of a small shop with 4 employees. He asked about our customers and seemed to be genuinely interested in expanding his understanding of our struggles and the possible future of the industry both with and without the FDA’s defacto ban on our existence.

I asked him what the next steps are for the Committee. He reports there are several steps to take with clear historic examples of how to proceed. The initial steps are simply “louder” requests, but should those requests remained unfulfilled, the eventual endpoint is a subpoena creating the opportunity for FDA management to be formally charged with contempt of Congress.

I asked him what the Committee’s specific powers were to enforce changes on the FDA’s ruling. A direct answer to this question is too complicated for a simple phone call, most likely over-complicated because of the two centuries of precedence fueled by political maneuvering. But the general summary I can give from our conversation is direct action by the Committee will likely not be necessary.

The Committee seeks first to expose information for the public. This information then becomes available to private interests who can and are filing lawsuits to stop the FDA. The Committee’s expectation is these lawsuits will be successful and they see their role as helping to bring relevant information to light to make these lawsuits easier to pursue.

In the end, I am completely elated to have had an experience much different than I expected. Instead of a terse, rehearsed brush off with soulless reassurances the “leaders” were working at a level I could not understand, I engaged in a genuine conversation with a man fighting for interests he did not directly share. Mr. Wittmann and Sen. Johnson are working on behalf of Americans. That is the interest group they hope to protect. They are working to promote the entire country’s freedom to choose.

Mr. Wittmann, I believe, now has a greater understanding of how the vapor product industry affects all Americans more directly than he initially understood. Our freedoms need protected, but on a closer level, the outcry from the vaping community to the Committee has produced a greater understanding of the opportunity to truly improve the public health by reducing or eliminating tobacco’s well-known harm and previously-unstoppable perpetuation.

Mr. Wittmann also said he briefs Sen. Johnson on all conversations and my comments and support of the Committee in this matter would be expressed and is appreciated. To the vaping community, I am happy to say my impression is we, as a community, have gained a true ally in our fight. We, as a community, have been “surprising”, “passionate”, and “compelling”. The positive image we have managed to bring to the Committee has made a difference.

Vape on and stay strong,
Steve Jackson